tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post3746885194472086316..comments2024-02-15T15:25:04.287-08:00Comments on Losing the War on Humor: Obama's Healthcare Plan is Worse than McCain's2Truthyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06621258620190540140noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post-58624908843013090832008-10-16T22:01:00.000-07:002008-10-16T22:01:00.000-07:00These are merely campaign proposals. Neither candi...These are merely campaign proposals. Neither candidate's plan appears to be winning over a majority of voters. In this Business Week article, <BR/><BR/>http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/oct2008/db20081013_312433.htm<BR/><BR/><BR/>a recent poll from Harvard School of Public Health and Harris Interactive, 40% of registered voters don't see either candidate's health-care plan as better for them for the reasons you describe. Until we have Single Payer, only the wealthy win.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post-24532041613370938882008-10-15T17:14:00.000-07:002008-10-15T17:14:00.000-07:00prez, of course Nader's single payer plan is the b...prez, of course Nader's single payer plan is the best, but both mainstream candidate's plans include the insurance lobby. The problem with Obama's plan is government PLUS insurance companies. Why not cut out the insurance companies like Nader advocates? As long as Obama refuses to cut loose the insurance companies, why expand an already bloated federal government bureaucracy that also wants to throw billions at IT industry executives in subsidies? Can you say "more billionaire bailout time"? According tho article cited, Obama's plan is a hand out to IT cronies. The CBO has warned that "by itself, the adoption of more health IT is generally not sufficient to produce significant cost savings."[68]<BR/>http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/bg2197.cfm<BR/>Obama's plan only supports children and not their parents, where Hillary's plan did. <BR/>http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/28/485291.aspx<BR/><BR/>Obama's plan is also more costly. As long as Obama refuses to ditch the insurance companies, why will taxpayers/consumers pay more under his plan? And who are the 18 million uninsured who would be covered during the first year of Obama's plan?<BR/><BR/>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122153768171141665.html2Truthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06621258620190540140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post-1373303223527354392008-10-14T23:18:00.000-07:002008-10-14T23:18:00.000-07:00Single payer for all is the only way to lower medi...Single payer for all is the only way to lower medical costs and only Nader supports this. Obama DOES NOT SUPPORT SINGLE PAYER. <BR/><BR/>Your title reads that McCain's is worse and in the sense that you cite Obama's reliance on technology subsidies, this is true.<BR/>But neither one cuts it. You might continue your next article to read<BR/>Both Plans Suck or something to this effect.<BR/><BR/>Single Payer is the only plan that includes EVERYONE. The public is not demanding Single Payer from the Democrats, much less anything else. Aside from both plans leaving people out in the cold, the big problem is that is our health insurance non-system drives small businesses under as costs are not contained. What I don't understand is how the public can think either one of these two status quo supporting plans from McCain or Obama are substantially better than the other. Both leave out people who need it, and both require people to pay for it while both support job outsourcing. This is not what government employees have. We should have the same plan they have. How do Democrats believe as healthcare costs rise, immigration increases, jobs leave the country, are they going to pay for it under Obama or McCain? Sorry, but neither corporate party has a plan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post-4390375518543260732008-09-02T12:52:00.000-07:002008-09-02T12:52:00.000-07:00"His (McCain's)plan,like Obama's,will require larg..."His (McCain's)plan,like Obama's,will require large subsidies he's not talking about, at least not in this article you reference." thetownliar<BR/><BR/>Thanks townliar for the cnn link.<BR/>Specifically, I don't see how Obama's plan to offer $50 billion in subsidies to an IT tech industry committed to offshoring and insourcing jobs to third world companies for cumbersome sw that most physicians are opposed to using which is also opposed by privacy rights groups is NOT going to help millions of American adult citizens who are unemployed due specifically to these crooked so called free trade deals. Until the U.S. reverses these corrupt LEGAL practices (H-1b and green card abuses) of handing American white collar jobs away. Without simultaneous high tech lobby labor reforms, Obama's plan is half-baked window dressing.2Truthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06621258620190540140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post-81207997985381874122008-09-01T18:50:00.000-07:002008-09-01T18:50:00.000-07:00Toss up, but am leaning toward McCain's.If Obama h...Toss up, but am leaning toward McCain's.If Obama had the guts to go with the Nader plan, big difference.The good news about McCain's plan is the elimination of a tax break that employees get if their employer provides their health care.One way or another,in order for it to fly, he is going to have stick it to taxpayers.His plan,like Obama's,will require large subsidies he's not talking about, at least not in this article you reference.<BR/>Here is a link that provides how McCain's plan puts the consumer in charge and will save at least a couple of grand per year "rather than a costless entitlement" bloated gov't program that Obama is hawking.<BR/> <BR/>http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/10/news/economy/tully_healthcare.fortune/thetownliarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873394549129849954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post-27897643027833986282008-08-30T14:15:00.000-07:002008-08-30T14:15:00.000-07:00You are correct about both candidates' plans offer...You are correct about both candidates' plans offering more benefits to insurance and big pharma executives than to the growing hordes without healthcare. To say that McCain's plan is "better" is moot, in that Obama's can't be worse. A wash. Between now and November, Obama is going to have to address how people are supposed to have the ability to pay for his plan while he supports job outsourcing at all levels.<BR/><BR/>I have not heard him address this, and of course, McCain is not about to, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post-83704115776538914452008-08-12T16:27:00.000-07:002008-08-12T16:27:00.000-07:00Thinks for your SV stories, 2Truthy. Your world is...Thinks for your SV stories, 2Truthy. Your world is like another planet to someone like me.Citizen Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12481323943813270047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post-64959701147219035932008-08-12T13:31:00.000-07:002008-08-12T13:31:00.000-07:00RO, Ah yes, characters like Dostoyevsky's 'The Und...RO, Ah yes, characters like Dostoyevsky's 'The Underground Man' obsessed with his inability (paralysis) to fight back against the military officer as he confronts his powerlessness in the face of his own mortality... <BR/><BR/>Twenty years ago I came to SV and saw the transition of smart computer scientists running things within hot startups to being marginalized and downgraded and then literally, physically set off to the side of the buildings (what was left of them as most of the work is now outsourced off site), APART and far away from the finance and marketing departments.<BR/><BR/>Your comment reminds me of this question: How many sociopaths does it take to disrespect and plunder and ruin an otherwise civil, thriving engineering organization AND get a slam-dunk return on your own investment and those of a few fellow insiders?<BR/><BR/>Answer: One particular start up I worked at(now a household name)had a small, great group of witty, productive, smart programmers (approx. 8) and one morning I came to the office to find the halls swarming with all of these guys from India who looked as if they had slept in their clothes all night. They did. After a few chats with others in the office, it was revealed that they were living and stashed upstairs in sleeping bags. (This was a heavily backed vc firm.) Not only could most of these guys barely speak or even understand English, but they were introduced at our weekly meeting as the 'bright new team' that would take over the xxx project that at the time, 4 of the exisiting guys were working on. What was also said outside the meeting to the rest of us non-engineers was that we were NOT allowed to mention the fact to anyone that about 15 guys were crashing upstairs in the unfinished office spaces. The frat-boy cult mentality of 'cranking out any old shit to get a quick return for the vc's is the game. NO LONGER QUALITY.2Truthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06621258620190540140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563831.post-3192210437674119172008-08-12T08:32:00.000-07:002008-08-12T08:32:00.000-07:00Why do“O” and his gatekeeping peeps hate America’s...<I>Why do“O” and his gatekeeping peeps hate America’s middle class?”</I><BR/><BR/>I think we've got ourselves a hate feedback loop here, Two. It's human nature to to run down a person you've cheated or wronged in some way - it's the way we rationalize and justify our jerkiness. But a nastier animus kicks in when the object of abuse takes the kick and doesn't fight back. Whence comes that almost pleasurable compulsion jerks feel to stomp some meek guy's head, after beating him to the ground? Who knows? (I think Dostoyevsky had something to say about it.)<BR/><BR/>And if you think about it, these guys have been pulling crap in the last couple of decades that, among a less inert and clueless populace, would have resulted in riots and tumbrils by 2003, at the latest. Yet here we are. Somewhere in the back of their reptile brains these guys must be thinking, "Man, these people will eat <I>any shit we put in front of them</I>." In sociopaths, that sort of passivity and non-reaction from one's victims tends to stoke the hate and provoke even more sadistic destructiveness. So they keep kicking it up a notch.<BR/><BR/>So, to mangle, er, paraphrase Mencken, Stop the Hate! Go out and crack some skulls! For common decency!<BR/><BR/>Just a theory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com